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00:00:00,000 I think the story telling strategies that I’ve been involved in are the ones
that I think personally that I exert that work, well, are the ones that are
certainly planned out and given the proper amount of resources within the scope of the budget to really think it out.
00:00:16,800 And I think being before that there’s some free work to go along with
that. So if we’re talking about project managers, I’d recommend that if
you’re not, if this space you want to enter into, then plan it into your stream of consciousness right now. And so what I
00:00:30,960 mean by that is that as you start working with, as you continue to do
your work on a day-to-day basis, just be mindful of, hey, that actually
might be, that’s kind of a neat story. And that simple step of just being aware of it, I love getting the feedback from those I work with
00:00:51,840 you saying, you know, just starting to think about it, I realize I’ve got,
I’ve got lots of good stories. Hi and welcome to the Sunday Lunchtime
Project Manager podcast for Sunday, the 5th of November 2022. This is Joachich Neuchgrise. And today, I’ve got a second part of my
00:01:19,680 interview with Rob Wasney, the story. So if you’re listening to this, that means you’ve had a week’s gap from episode one, part one, which means that you’ve had a week where you’ve been wondering what
Earth was going to be said next and next, pieces, wondering what other nuggets of information
00:01:49,440 were coming from my guest. And you’ve had a week where you haven’t
been able to apply those nuggets because you didn’t know the existed
or what they were, which is a little bit frustrating already, because imagine how much more efficient, productive or amazing you could have been.
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in it with me, which we’re in all about, becoming a Patreon and things
like that. So, I never think. And anyway, I’ll shut up now because you probably think it just get on with it, right? So yeah, here’s
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00:04:25,280 it’s nudgeocrus.com/onlinePM courses, and enjoy. Every chapter, I start
with a case study, an anchoring story, and the feedback that I receive,
quite considerably from those who have read the book is that we really enjoy the opening case study.
00:04:49,200 And then, by design through each chapter, I refer back to the case
study through the theory and the content to drive home, but it’s all
starting with the power of the story. And that’d be no different than if you
were as a project manager, and you’re working with a client, or you’re wanting to
00:05:05,120 reach additional clients. So, let’s say there’s particular aspects within project management that you’re wanting to serve. Well, what’s an effective way to communicate that? You share, for example, a case study. Now, we were working with client X. They had this challenge through our
00:05:23,760 project management service we worked with them, and we overcame
the challenge, and we provided a solution. And now, they are better off
as a result of working with us as a project manager. And it’s not really,
as you say, about the transaction of the project manager, the client, 00:05:40,720 it’s really about the great work and how it makes you feel as the
consumer in that story going, wow, you know, hey, if I work with Nigel
just like you did with that client, I’m feeling pretty good, they’re feeling
pretty good. I think I’m going to explore this a little bit more distinct from if
00:05:58,000 you just said, hey, I have service X, Y, and Z. Full stock, right? Which
one do you think is going to be more powerful? Yeah, and a little bit of
that pops up in my nose at the referral kind of capability, where you’ve
got people referring, when there being a reference site kind of thing, is the IT
00:06:19,840 industry that I mean, where you’ve got a customer, you’ve worked with,
and as it will, you’d be a reference, yes, that’s great, and partly that is
writing the story of what was in there. And then you’ll share on your
website and then you’ll have them, you’ve seen a way you’ll have CEOs or IT directors who have
00:06:38,400 recorded videos talking about their experience with that company. Yeah,
that’s a story, isn’t it? They’re talking about, yeah, when we were in trouble, we were having this problem, and along came Kreiser and he
sort of sorted it out and he made our lives all better and we’d love him to pieces,
00:06:53,200 and this is what we’ve changed our business, et cetera, and that’s what
it’s transport, how does transport our business? That gives that whole,
as you say, rather than, yeah, we implemented this and did this and we
did that, which is done on them, interesting. Yeah, it’s happened to it, isn’t it?
00:07:09,680 In addition to that, like, take, for example, this podcast and this
interview on screen, your clients or stakeholder group are watching, you
Nigel, and they’re thinking, wow, he’s putting himself out there. There’s
a lot of trepidation, generally speaking, for people to put themselves
00:07:28,880 out there, even me doing this, like, I have to work at it, it’s putting
yourself out there, but the courage to do that resonates with people on
the other end, maybe they may or may not necessarily group along with
your content, and that’s okay, but I think even having that connection with,
00:07:46,560 hey, Nigel’s at least given it a go. He’s, I’m gonna give him some time
and some bandwidth to listen to this. I think there’s tremendous value in
that, and even in this platform, we’re telling a story, you’re telling a story
of the ongoing journey at Project Managers, and I’m just a part of that
00:08:03,680 journey you’ve brought in to continue this ongoing dialogue about
Project Managers. So good on you. Yeah, I appreciate that. I can see
that again, it’s again. A lot of the time, I’m in my home, I’ve got a number of books there from people who’ve done that,
00:08:23,680 well, keep grabbing this one, but it’s not because any of the others are
any, it’s not that good, do I keep grabbing this every swath? You can
see that. The change in Inja Handbook, which is an interactive event
again, so it’s an interactive story, rather than being a normal, and I know
00:08:44,400 Tammy’s been, I saw today she’s been now nominated for a business
book award, and the approach is like the classic adventure games used
to get when I was younger, and you go through and skip through to the
next page, and it is a story, it’s a real parable, and actually for those who don’t know,
00:09:04,160 that the Sunday Lunch Project Manager, the concept of that was a
story. It was a story that I haven’t written yet, I’ve got it outlined, and it’s a project manager who makes a Sunday Lunch, and that’s probably a
good way to describe it, but it’s meant to be funny, it’s meant to be entertaining,
00:09:22,560 but it’s a story, and it’s meant to learn and to attain a parable and
parody kind of thing, and again, I think that was, and the idea of that
was to be able to tell, to provide education, but also in a way that it can kind of sink in. In my last book, a lot of the time I realized
00:09:43,600 that I use my experience or experience of colleagues in applying the
skills, the productivity hacks that I put in there, and it’s always, when I
did this, this is what happened, this is how I used it, this is what went
wrong, this is what, and just thinking about this conversation, that’s
00:10:04,960 the more, again, things are just pinging out here, I’ve got several books
up there, I don’t know if you’ve had a guy called Ogmandino, who’s an
author who wrote a lot of self-travelin of books, but they’re all very,
they’re all stories, and they’re all based on stories, all things like,
00:10:26,720 who moved my cheese, which is, that’s a story, isn’t it? It’s a story to a book that teaches you how to do it, so I can kind of see where the
power of the story in business, in self-development, in teaching, really, is what we’re saying, isn’t it? And passing a message.
00:10:49,040 Well, I think in that perspective is that story unlocks creativity within the
mind, so as you’re sharing the story about packing the Sunday lunch, I’m creating this visual of me packing lunch, or I’m creating a
circumstance of thinking, “You might story how you enter something,” and it creates
00:11:07,840 that connection, and there’s just something so powerful that does that. And I imagine in the work that you do as project managers, there’s,
what’s interesting, you know, in the research leading up to this, just looking at the scope of the work that you do and other project managers, what’s,
00:11:23,600 which is such an alignment with project management and storytelling is
doing them on. There is a beginning, a middle, and an end. That’s the
nature of your work, and that is an essence kind of the essence of a story. So you could almost treat every project management as you’re saying, as that
00:11:42,240 natural story, and then frame that as a case study when you work with
others to say, you know, this was this was the journey of this project within this project management scope, and talk about how there’s a
problem solution, and how we made things better, and all the good stuff that
00:11:58,240 came as a result of that, and then creating that connection through
those who want to learn more about you. That story facilitates that on
meaningful ways. Yeah, it’s a really good interesting thing, because when you look at the, I’m sure you’ve heard of the PM Bach and the other bodies of knowledge,
00:12:18,320 and the different prints, too, and all these different ways of delivering a
project and say the start of the execution of planning and lessons, and
then you close them. If you, as you say, if you took every single part of
that, and just went, okay, so what’s the first day of the story? You’ve got
00:12:36,960 all of it, as you say, that is a story of a project all the way through it, and
you have some of its concurrence of it, off there, and I’ve looked into a few things that we ran about novel writings, and real novel writing stories, and about the fact that there’s a structure to a story,
00:12:55,360 about the fact that you have, if you’re doing a drama, you might have a
three-pup, through the Shakespeare’s three-act, by kind of thing where
they put jeopardy in it, and I suppose there’s this, is there something in telling stories with business, and parallels to that? Is there a
00:13:17,200 structure on how, if you’re going to use a story to communicate, convey something to someone, or persuade them, or whatever? Is there a
structure that you advise or you teach, or what would happen? Yeah, it’s
an interesting question, and the short answer is yes, absolutely. I go through a
00:13:38,640 number that, in a chapter in my book, there’s probably, you know,
there’s a number of them all, I just facilitated a leadership workshop last
week, where I was working with leaders who wanted to tell their stories through through public speaking, and we, and they asked the same question,
00:13:56,080 but we know we want to say, but how do we structure it? So I pulled up
a couple of stories, coming structures, starting with one that’s probably
as old as time itself, it seems as no hero’s journey. You know, take your audience on that journey through, through someone who is either
00:14:12,160 a customer, for example, your customer is that hero, and they start, they go on this journey, and they, and they go on this remarkable
journey in which they overcome adversity, and you know, your product,
your service helps them get through that, you know, there’s a tone, and where they come to a better
00:14:26,720 place, and then know they come full circle, and, you know, I’m, I’m, I’m
losing the paraphrics, me, but heroes journey is just one story in which
you can, you know, you go through this cycle. There are others where,
you know, even if you look at your common, your, your basic streaming channels,
00:14:42,080 and some of the stories, the shows that you watch on a day to day
basis, if you look at them carefully, they are following this common structure, common structures, and there’s a number of them you can
urge you, some of them start with, with a bang with the end of the mile, I think about these
00:14:56,560 stories where, you know, there’s this dramatic conclusion, and then
they spend the rest of the show showing how they got there, right? Or
they end with a cliffhanger or whatever the case may be, those are all
deliberate storytelling structures that drive you, try to watch more, or learn more,
00:15:12,000 about the content. So it’s the same premise, or the same premises that
applies in developing your storytelling structure. There are structures
that go along with it. And so what you do is you look at these structures
and you think, where does my customer, for example, go along in this journey?
00:15:27,600 And how does my service as a project manager take them along and get them through these various parts of the journey? So let’s say
looking at the heroes journey model, for example, they’re starting off
from the journey of, well, this is my problem, and working with Nigel as a project manager,
00:15:45,040 I’m going to go through various points along the heroes journey. So he
solves my problem, my better for it, and so it goes. So you take all your
body of knowledge, and then you apply it to this structure through the hero, which again, as an bite example, could be a client of yours,
00:16:01,360 or it could be someone hypothetical. You choose, but you choose that
journey in which your hero goes on. I use the heroes journey a lot in my
storytelling structures, and in very early, I always use my clients with
their permission, of course, and I talk about, you know, their journey.
00:16:17,040 I’m looking at it, yeah, to get kind of my taste. It’s a bad cut, I suppose,
in a lot of time, you’ll do these storytelling kind of things off the cuff and
not maybe sit back and think, actually, how am I going to influence this person? How am I going to, how do I best?
00:16:33,840 And I keep saying influence, I keep thinking, should be for sure, but I do
think that every conversation is therefore, there’s some kind of, you’re imparting knowledge, but you want them to know something therefore, you’re influencing them to use that knowledge. And, and I, you make me recall a training course
00:16:51,920 I went on with an actress, it’s five years ago, and I’ve got some of your
fantastic training course. And it was all about both executive presence and about being able to plan what you were saying, how you were
saying it, and the topic I use, I was getting involved in, I was getting
00:17:11,760 doing some stuff with Amazon Alexa, so I was doing Alexa skills and
creating those, it was a little bit of a hobby of mine, and I had this vision
of how it worked with small businesses and how a certain feature of it
could be used, and you know, through a lot of different things, and, and I come
00:17:31,520 with it, how it came to it, I’m thinking, might be part of the teaching team was kind of putting together a structure where you say, imagine the
situation, and yet in this instance, it was imagine being in your kitchen
in the morning and your favourite bar, you ask Alexa, what’s going on today,
00:17:50,720 your favourite bar is this weekend, we’ve got 20% off, if you want to pop it, don’t want to be 20% off, you meal, come and see us, and it’s a
business owner wanting, having that level of intimacy with that family,
and that was the way that I was using it in the kitchen, and the thing about,
00:18:11,600 because I was doing a presentation, I was talking about how it could be
used for small businesses, and that kind of thing, isn’t it, is that, imagine
it, and imagine that story telling the mode, aren’t you, and then I tell that story of that happening to them, and their business
00:18:28,000 really knocks them on me and being there, and I just think that you, I’ve
been in situations again, I’ve got off the cuff, I think, about it, when I’ve gone with the doomsayer scenario, or something, I quite often use extreme as the example, it could be 100 million, it could be a
00:18:51,200 fibre, that’s going to be somewhere in there, but those sort of things
again, those are part of those different types of story structure, aren’t
they, where you’re telling that a doomsdory, but then there’s something
that happens, great, later on, because you can give someone, yeah it might, it’s not as bad as
00:19:09,360 I’ve just said, I don’t know, don’t explain that very well, yeah it’s
choosing how you want to use it, like you use the example of, imagine,
right, I’m meaning like okay, now I’m imagining, I’m drawn into what
Nigel is saying, and then once you form that story telling structure, that’s the,
00:19:29,440 you know, that’s the part of it, it’s determining what type of story you
want to tell, how you’re going to frame it, and then the next part of it is,
how you’re going to let the world know about this story, and choosing which channels of communication you want to do, is that do you want
00:19:43,680 to employ what I like to call as your own media network, so in this case,
we’re on Nigel’s podcast, platform, and to amplify the story, but maybe
you take a step further, you put an additional social media, maybe you want to amplify it working with the mainstream media, it’s then understanding,
00:20:03,600 once you’ve got that story in the right place, where you want to take it
from here, and I think it’s also important, especially that’s saying in the
role, in the role of a project manager is, why, what do I ultimately want
to achieve by telling my story? When I work with organizations for the first
00:20:21,360 time in telling their story, and telling the stories brought in the sense,
once you determine your objectives, and the strategies in which ways
you want, and the ways I refer by platforms and tactics to tell that story
is what do you ultimately want to achieve with this when you’re doing it? And so,
00:20:40,560 when I work with organizations and their teams, I also say, be prepared that this works, or when this works, what does that mean on the
operational side of this? So if we get to the point, let’s say we create
more inbound calls, be ready for those calls. So if you’re, let’s say in the case of a project
00:21:00,560 manager, you go through all this effort to create this storytelling content,
you push it out there, and then, you know, on the week that you do it,
you are hosting a four day intensive retreat, and you can’t answer the
calls or answer emails, you’re kind of missing the alignment of that storytelling.
00:21:18,880 So while I am to some degree, romanticizing the aspect of storytelling,
it is business storytelling for reason because it is serving an objective to
grow your business, influence stakeholders to take a specific action.
But from an operational point of view, it’s also understanding that it does
00:21:38,160 can, it does create opportunities to draw people into your business, and
be ready for those opportunities as well. Yeah, it’s a, a former couple from Guest of Mine, Andy and Joel, a lot of local marketing
organisations, what I think they talked about that a lot as well, but it was the customers that I go back, we want
00:21:58,880 loads more, loads more, so what you do to scale up the team to do it,
what you do to scale up, be ready for that, if we help you, it is going to
work. That’s their level of COVID. It will work. You will have to sell more
stuff, you will have to deal with more inquiries, and some people are kind of, I think it’s
00:22:19,200 something not believing necessarily that some of these things will make
things quicker and bigger, especially in that sales side of it, because if
you do it right, maybe do it right. It’s a fascinating area and I think the, how to apply, it’s about thinking about it, it seems to me,
00:22:41,840 it’s the thing is that we don’t always consciously think about how we tell
a story, the other, in part the facts of the story, we don’t think about what
we want to do about that story, we just tell a story, and then actually that’s not probably supporting it in the way that you could do.
00:22:56,000 If there was, just thinking now of individual project managers in their
delivering a project, or maybe in independent business owners as well,
for those, I think, listen, if there was one thing that they could do to leverage story time, what’s the one thing you would
00:23:21,040 advise them to do a site and a viney book to actually leverage story
time based on that? It’s a great question, Nigel, one that I get asked all
the time, and as you noted, it’s, I think the story telling strategies that I’ve been involved in, the ones that I think
00:23:42,640 personally that I exert that work, well, are the ones that are certainly
planned out and given the proper amount of resources within the scope
of the budget to really think it out. And I think being before that, there’s some free work to go along with that.
00:23:58,720 So if we’re talking about project managers, I’d recommend that if you’re
not, if this space you want to enter into, then plan it into your stream of consciousness right now. And so what I mean by that is that as you start working with, as you continue to do your work on a day-to-day basis, just be mindful
00:24:16,720 of, hey, that actually might be, that’s kind of a neat story. And that
simple step of just being aware of it, I love getting the feedback from
those I work with you say, you know, just starting to think about it, I
realize I’ve got, I’ve got lots of good stories because sometimes I, as business
00:24:38,160 owners, I think we have that two humble approach. Well, no one’s really
going to be interested in what I have to say or my service is I’m, you
know, respectfully, I’m just a project manager. What, what stories do I
have to share? But it’s not true. You know, you’re as a, as a project manager,
00:24:54,640 you’re providing a very important service. You’re, you’re helping people
either at some level, in some degree in a project scope get from, you know, you may be, you know, let’s say, far as a Gantshar, you may
serve one very pivotal part in that Gantshar to move the project along.
00:25:14,880 And that is a remarkable story, but it’s the people involved in it. So just
being mindful of the people that you’re serving and what they’re saying,
what they’re sharing because it’s so easy to get so caught up on the day to day of just executing and delivering your services of
00:25:33,680 project manager that you’re not necessarily thinking about, you know, I
just listen to the emotion of how grateful my client is or listen to this
story of how much better this aspect of their project is a result of
working with us. Or we got them to this particular outcome that they couldn’t
00:25:52,960 have achieved unless they worked with us. And there’s a real sense of
gratitude which makes for really great storytelling. So I think that’s the
number one tip I would say just to start if you’re getting into the game.
So to speak is a project manager in the storytelling aspect is just be open
00:26:08,800 and allow yourself to say, hey, there’s some great stories in my
professional ecosystem that I can harvest and I can share with others.
That’s pretty impressive. I think that, that really powerful because it also may even think of an effort to steer it at their individual level
00:26:30,560 and even know his project manager just as an individual country here in
an organisation. If you look at one of the biggest times when you’re
trying to tell your story is when you’re doing your performance review at the end of the year and you’re doing your manager and all the
00:26:44,960 things you’ve done through the year and how well they’ve been
received or well you’ve done them. Again, that’s telling the story of
those and gathering and the big problem is as you come to the end of
your performance year and you’ll try to remember what you did 11 and a half months ago
00:26:59,200 and you know there was something really important and really big that
you did there but you helped them life with you remember seeing that
drawing through emails and on the verge of the concept of continuing professions through your management document where when you have a significant
00:27:17,920 delivery or when you do a significant piece of work it’s some significant
part of the kind of whether it’s a physical folder, a digital folder or just an
Excel spreadsheet or whatever it is. Gather those little things in there
and have for me might not use the other half of them you can use that
00:27:35,520 for and what that also does is as you say there with that with those stories that better client feedback that way that you had a gnarly problem that you wouldn’t have ceased to solve keeping them in that
that little list of things that have happened and I was saying with me I was
00:27:56,160 good at these different rabbit holes because there’s another one called a bit of listening to them project management tool podcast, amazing podcast, they talk about playbooks and about building your own
playbook of different managerial situations about what you do and that’s exactly the same again
00:28:13,360 you write down your story about how I and it’s telling yourself the story
here so I’ll let’s know how you dealt with this situation, how I do it’s a
finance we hear it this is what I do with finance so if you’re going to
coach somewhere else you can tell them the story of how you use this tool or
00:28:26,640 technique to do things better. Yeah and with the benefit of time and
research and looking into this space you know there’s lots of different
ways we could talk about this as far as tactics goes through storytelling about all return to one that you mentioned somewhere in the podcast and I
00:28:43,040 made a mental note to come back to so it seems like the right point is in
the scope of project management you’re dealing with a lot of facts and figures and stats and data and you may think well you know that’s
boring and I don’t want to just throw out numbers and stats but data is a great way of
00:28:59,280 reinforcing storytelling so let’s say for example if you’re talking about you know project manager who helped help to customer deliver on a
remarkable project pull some of those stats and data to reinforce the
emotional aspects so you’re getting both sides of the brain for lack of better terms
00:29:17,920 reinforcing the power of that story. Yeah I suppose that’s the reason
when you say it was a big piece of work that’s a relative term it was a big piece of work and you put some statistics again see it then
becomes a fact a factual term doesn’t it? It’s just thinking we’re coming up on somewhere near
00:29:37,680 an hour now on our chat pretty soon and it’s been a fact I think we
could talk for a lot longer we could tell a lot of stories. I think it’s really
fascinating obviously we mentioned your book briefly earlier on and it’s
there for those on the video it’s just over your right shoulder I can see
00:29:57,280 to the little there I think is your right unless it’s flipped over which every
way you can never tell with video these days and so do you want to just
tell us a little bit about that woman and just give us a little kind of a story about what the book’s about and how it could help someone.
00:30:14,880 So it’s thanks for the opportunity Nigel it’s called storytelling for
business the art and science of creating connection in the digital agent
that’s available where books books are sold online and and in store and
you can find it there and I wrote it because I wanted to be of service to the
00:30:33,200 concept of business storytelling I wanted to demystify this big concept
of what storytelling is and through what I would I like to call a natural story arc of 11 chapters I take the reader on where you can go with storytelling within your organization again anchored with stories
00:30:52,960 as case studies and that’s what I really wanted to provide with this was
a resource to say okay you know on this chapter I talk about internal storytelling and I create a case study that walks you through as an example some strategies and tactics and then align it closely to a chapter working with the
00:31:09,920 media or developing what I call your own media network which is what
much like we’re doing here Nigel you’re utilizing your social media your website your content to create your own channels of communication and then I wrap it up with even the the last chapter talks about in essence putting
00:31:28,960 yourself out there and what it means to be a storyteller and not just as a
a literal storyteller but as you know serving your organization and taking
the chances of putting yourself out there that you know there is risk in
telling storytelling but by and large it really is worth it because it
00:31:45,280 truly is powerful on a number of levels that connects with people and
tells people how you’re going to make their lives better solve problems
influence them to do things in ways because and all through the power of storytelling so that is it in a nutshell.
00:32:01,280 Is that the final call reason that if you want to get in touch with you or
find you where’s the best way to film to get in touch with? Well if you do
a Google search or an online engine search you’ll find me through Rob Wasney W O Z NY you’ll find me through there but my website is 00:32:20,400 Rob Wasney R O B W O Z NY dot com and once you’re there speaking
of the book when you land on the website you’ll have an opportunity to
get access to the first chapter complimentary and then from there you
can look more into the book at that point and then there I’ve got some other social media
00:32:39,440 or some other content aspects there you can look through some downloads and the opportunity to join the backend of my my membership site and lots of great content packed in those. Rob Wasney dot com is where you can find me with those so thank you for letting me get that plug
00:32:55,120 in there Nigel. It’s all right as it is to be honest it’s one of those things where you want an hour is such a short time to cover any of these topics that I get when people on here and I know my each my guests around here have got so much more to give and there’s so much more
00:33:13,920 there who can get so I think it’s important to make sure that making
sure that people can carry on the conversation if they want to. With that
I think I’m going to say thank you very much for coming on the show it’s a fascinating area it’s a lot of food for thought in my brain there
00:33:31,040 if you’ve got a little notes down on things that I’ve thought about before
and then let Drift away and remind you the things which I’m going to start using again and start thinking again and it’s re-fraining my
thoughts on the podcast and how that is a level of storytelling as well so thank
00:33:48,640 you for drawing that focus for me and yeah well that’s it really thank you very much and have a fantastic rest of your day. Thank you Nigel I
really appreciate the opportunity to be here and thanks again for this
opportunity a lot of fun. Yeah brilliant cheers mate. Okay take care.
00:34:05,040 Another great sponsor of the show he comes in form of airmanial is a
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00:34:35,040 my view where you see documentation a lot my experience has been
people will document something a process they’ll put it in a visual dome and that gets loaded onto a shared website or something similar and then a bunch of products so then once that diagram has been shared with senior management
00:34:49,760 they’re happy they have a process of business but then the detailed
procedures underneath it might be in documents it’s just poorly kept
and not linked easily and not updated and what airmanial does it allows
you to put in a it’s a tool for doing this kind of thing you whack it in the service
00:35:10,800 in they’re getting there put in your process you flow and you build it
down to its lower level detail even to the point of checklists where
people check off them done it so it creates that guided checklists um
easy to create easy to maintain and all the one place and no one’s kind of
00:35:29,120 rooting around to find the sharepoint and then when you change the
new sharepoint services and well that’s not it’s all there so if you pop
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00:35:48,240 it it’s something I think can easily um reduce the amount of air is rework
etc in our organization so um [Music] well I know you enjoyed that uh
episode with Rob get out there do a bit of storytelling and enjoy it
00:36:18,000 and come back next week we’ve got again coming on talk about digital project management speak soon bye so this is my final wrap-up every
week you’re gonna hear this you’re gonna get bored of it but you can
always click next podcast if so um if you have enjoyed it if you listen to this podcast
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00:37:56,160 of the book also got um links to all my guests books on there as well where I get a little bit of a kickback from them um if you are of a sporting mind um I have a number through doing some of my judo and running antics I’ve managed to secure a few um affiliate links and affiliates
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you’re with it if you’re looking to get super fit then that would be fabulous as well I get a little kickback from those
00:38:36,800 I have a patreon account it’s patreon.com/sundaylunchpm so again you can ping something in there by me a coffee or whatever and finally
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00:38:57,680 visibility I get because there’s more times that you’re downloaded and
all the SEO works and things like that so yeah that’s it so uh if you can
help me out I would be much appreciated if you can’t don’t worry about it thank you very much t’sne bye
00:39:22,240 um my latest uh the latest affiliate that I’ve got on the show now is
Riverside um I use Riverside to do my interviews Riverside ever um it kind of offers you a whole if you like my pro studio management
producer too and and and goes beyond that as a really good free layer and I um I mean
00:39:47,840 usually for a while now I find it really good when I’ve had issues even though I’m not on one of the high paid levels the support has been
quick responsive and and then for high quality and people keen to help
me uh the organisation is really good the product seems really intuitive um and
00:40:05,920 quality is really good as well and it’s going to clever way doing it is
when you’re recording through your browsers so you’re not got loads of desktop resources being used to compare to some other products that
I’ve used and what they also do is they do uh um this streamer a lower quality version
00:40:22,400 of it up onto uh as you’re doing the interview so you’re not burning
bandwidth while you’re doing the interview and potentially impacting on
the quality of the conversation uh and then at the end the upload uh the
the higher quality from your browser um I mean it it’s just a really good way to do
00:40:40,720 it so um if you are thinking of doing a podcast and the rest of the
streamer podcast I would recommend using this tool for a fairly really
good best best of the tools I’ve tried using today and you can get that
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00:40:59,280 on their site and there I will get a look back from there so um take a
look thanks well it’s goodbye from me nodulecreaser and it’s goodbye from him the Sunday lunch pm goodbye [Music]